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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - Eight newly minted Pro Football Hall of Famers will officially take their place in Canton on Saturday night, and it's easy to envision Eli Manning doing the same sometime around 2025.

The truth, though, is his road to Canton may not be so easy after all.

Though he'll eventually retire as the greatest quarterback in Giants history with Hall of Fame-caliber numbers and two championship rings, Manning isn't necessarily a lock to be voted into the Hall immediately. He's a virtual lock to be among the group of 15 finalists the first year he's eligible, but after that, his candidacy gets complicated.

And while the two New York media representatives on the 46-person selection committee both agree that Manning should -- and will -- get in eventually, it might take some convincing, especially in his first year.

"I do think he belongs in the Hall of Fame. I do think he will get in the Hall of Fame. I don't know that it will be a first-ballot situation," said Bob Glauber, Newsday's NFL columnist. "I think there'll be questions about just the statistical compilation. It doesn't jump out at you as 'Oh, this guy is a John Elway or Dan Marino or Peyton Manning.' He just doesn't have those numbers. He hasn't had those incredible regular seasons that a lot of these Hall of Famers had.

"And I think some people will look at him as those Super Bowls were somewhat of an aberration. That's why with Eli there'll be some debate and there'll be a lot of discussion about it, and I can see where it would take him a couple of years to get in."

"There's no doubt in my mind that I will vote for him on the first ballot and any year thereafter," added Gary Myers, the former NFL columnist for the New York Daily News. "But he's had a very bizarre career being that the only time he's won a playoff game are the two times he won a Super Bowl."

The 37-year-old has had a bizarre career and it's unclear how the selection committee will view it, especially as they undertake the annual, impossible task of whittling a field of 15 finalists to 10. and then to only a final five who get in. The sheer glut and backlog of Hall-worthy candidates makes it tough enough - just ask Michael Strahan, a slam-dunk candidate who had to wait until his second year on the ballot.

But Manning is going to be measured against -- and possibly could compete directly against -- a star-studded quarterback group from his generation that includes, among others, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers.

And therein lies Manning's biggest problem: He may finish in the Top 10 in many of the NFL's passing categories, he might be one of just 12 quarterbacks to win multiple Super Bowls, and one of only five men to win two Super Bowl MVPs -- both of which he won with last-minute, game-winning drives, including one where he pulled off a miracle upset against what was thought to be the greatest team in NFL history back in Super Bowl XLII.

But, especially outside of New York, he's not generally considered to be one of the top quarterbacks of his generation. At best, he ranks fifth. Some rank him lower than that.

And considering that in his last six years since the Giants won Super Bowl XLVI, he's had too many mediocre or just plain bad seasons. Being that he's also had four losing seasons and been to the playoffs only once since that championship, it's possible that in the face of stiff competition, his great accomplishments could be even easier for voters to dismiss.

"There's no doubt a strong finish would help his cause, so the argument against him can't be 'Well he played great in those two runs but he never won a playoff game in another year,'" said Myers, author of How 'Bout Them Cowboys, due out this October. "But my counter-argument would be it wasn't as if he just went along for the ride like a Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer. He was the reason they won the game at the end.

"But I do agree. He doesn't need to win another championship or get to the Super Bowl again. But I think a strong ending to his career with one or two playoff victories would really put an exclamation on his candidacy."

That's probably unfair, but it's Manning's reality. Even among Giants fans, there have been times where it hasn't felt like he's been truly appreciated. The championship runs were wonderful, but how many times has the defense been given most of the credit? And how often, especially shortly after it happened, was the upset of the undefeated Patriots dismissed as a fluke?

Doing that has become easier as Manning and the Giants have struggled in recent years - especially from the outside where others may see Manning as a main reason for the Giants' decline. That's where the convincing comes in from those who have seen him up close.

"I think the entirety of his career does matter and it's a fair argument how he did after the two Super Bowls," said Glauber, author of Guts and Genius (due out in November), the story of how Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh and Joe Gibbs once dominated the NFL. "I think you look at some extenuating circumstances. That roster kind of fell apart and that offensive line was not good. And being a pocket passer if your protection breaks down, you're going to pay for it more than most. I think that's what happened to him."

Those circumstances, though, will be held against Manning by some. It may take them a while to see through those lean years and fully appreciate the great ones.

"I know the strongest argument for him will be these two incredibly pressure-filled moments of his career that nobody could have possibly done it better than he did on those two Super Bowl drives," Myers said. "The fact that in the biggest moments in the two biggest games he ever played, he was near-perfect, that's good enough for me. That's the definition of a Hall of Fame player."

Will enough voters feel that way? Probably. At least eventually. But unless his first year is a thin year on the ballot, it probably won't happen immediately. More likely it will take the voters a little time.

The good news, though, is that in Manning's case, especially with a five-year waiting period before he's eligible, time really can be on his side.

"I think that when we reflect on what he accomplished after sitting aback and thinking about it, I think his accomplishments will outweigh some of the negatives," Myers said. "What he did against the Patriots in those two Super Bowls, against Belichick's defense, and with the quarterback on the other side who's probably the greatest quarterback in NFL history, I think there'll be more of an appreciation for what he did than maybe there is now."


 

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New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. during warmups before a game against the Jacksonville Jaguars at MetLife Stadium. (Brad Penner/USA TODAY Sports)
New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. during warmups before a game against the Jacksonville Jaguars at MetLife Stadium. (Brad Penner/USA TODAY Sports)

There are two things we know Odell Beckham Jr. hates: losing and water. 

The Giants wide receiver made the unusual revelation about the latter on Friday when explaining why he was dehydrated and needed an IV before halftime in last week's 34-13 loss to the Eagles. 

"I really don't like water," he said. "I'm trying. I really just don't like it. You get that stomach feeling -- it's all slushy. I'm trying to just stay hydrated. Sometimes I gotta get an IV, it's just necessary. If you're cramping in both calves it's hard to run and make cuts."

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Odell talks Mara and Eli 00:01:34
Odell Beckham Jr responded to comments from owner John Mara about his ESPN interview, and shared his thoughts on the play of Eli Manning

Odell Beckham Jr. could not definitively stand by Eli Manning. 

While the Giants receiver dismissed the notion on Friday that players on the team are frustrated with their quarterback, he was unable to give a direct answer when asked if his 37-year-old quarterback is the right guy to get them back on track. 

"You gotta ask him," Beckham said. "Every time we get in the huddle I say, 'take me home 10.' Which, to me, carries weight because he's been there, he knows how to win, he knows what he's doing, he's the most prepared of anybody I've seen.

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Dec 3, 2017; Oakland, CA, USA; New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning (10) is greeted by Oakland Raiders quarterback Derek Carr (4) after the game at Oakland Coliseum. Mandatory Credit: Cary Edmondson-USA TODAY Sports (Cary Edmondson)
Dec 3, 2017; Oakland, CA, USA; New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning (10) is greeted by Oakland Raiders quarterback Derek Carr (4) after the game at Oakland Coliseum. Mandatory Credit: Cary Edmondson-USA TODAY Sports (Cary Edmondson)

Picture this: Odell Beckham Jr. hits a double move, loses his defender, and runs down the sideline wide open as the ball comes soaring toward him for an easy touchdown. As the team celebrates in the end zone, a No. 4 Big Blue jersey comes running toward his new favorite receiver. Wearing the jersey is the Giants new quarterback -- Derek Carr

Now, this scenario wouldn't be until next season, but CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora offered a pretty intriguing prediction on the "Pick Six Podcast" on Wednesday.

With Jon Gruden and the Raiders blowing it up out in Oakland, no one on the roster is safe, not even their franchise quarterback that just signed a five-year deal before the start of the 2017 season. On the other hand, the Giants don't want to rebuild, but rather make moves to win now...

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Giants prep for Falcons 00:01:22
Head Coach Pat Shurmur and the New York Giants remain confident going into their Monday night match-up against the Atlanta Falcons.

It's always a good day at practice when all 53 players are out and about, and that was the case for the Giants on Thursday. 

There were a few limited participants, though, with LT Nate Solder (neck) and DE Olivier Vernon (ribs) among them. Solder said after practice that he feels fine and should be ready to go on Monday. 

And the way head coach Pat Shurmur spoke about Vernon appears to indicate he will be full-go against the Falcons as well...

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Sep 30, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants offensive tackle Nate Solder on the field before facing the New Orleans Saints at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran/NorthJersey.com via USA TODAY NETWORK (Danielle Parhizkaran)
Sep 30, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants offensive tackle Nate Solder on the field before facing the New Orleans Saints at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran/NorthJersey.com via USA TODAY NETWORK (Danielle Parhizkaran)

Giants LT Nate Solder isn't used to losing. 

In his seven years in New England, Solder's Patriots went an outstanding 88-20 that included two Super Bowl rings. But now Solder is on a 1-5 Giants squad that is teetering to stay relevant before the fanbase starts to compare it to the dreadful season of last. 

Unfortunately, some believe the season is lost already, with the Giants stuck at the bottom of the NFC East. But it is still early, and Solder is confident this team -- and his offensive unit specifically -- can ramp up their level of play and pick up some much-needed wins. 

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Saquon Barkley (26) and quarterback Eli Manning (10) Mandatory Credit: Tim Heitman-USA TODAY Sports (Tim Heitman)
Saquon Barkley (26) and quarterback Eli Manning (10) Mandatory Credit: Tim Heitman-USA TODAY Sports (Tim Heitman)

Looking up "New York Giants players" on Google images, a long scroll shows up at the top with various players on the teams. But there's one flaw: Saquon Barkley is Eli Manning

It's a side-by-side image with both players, but Manning is at the forefront with his actual image next to it...

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Nov 27, 2016; Cleveland, OH, USA; New York Giants offensive tackle Ereck Flowers (74) during the third quarter between the Cleveland Browns and the New York Giants at FirstEnergy Stadium. The Giants won 27-13. Mandatory Credit: Scott R. Galvin-USA TODAY Sports (Scott Galvin)
Nov 27, 2016; Cleveland, OH, USA; New York Giants offensive tackle Ereck Flowers (74) during the third quarter between the Cleveland Browns and the New York Giants at FirstEnergy Stadium. The Giants won 27-13. Mandatory Credit: Scott R. Galvin-USA TODAY Sports (Scott Galvin)

When the Giants cut former first-round T Ereck Flowers last week, fans weren't at all surprised by the move.

Well, neither was Flowers.

"I expected [the release], it wasn't a shock to me," Flowers told Jacksonville.com. "I actually was looking forward to another opportunity. To go from that situation to getting a chance to play here and [possibly] get into the playoffs, that would be 100 percent perfect. That would be like 'wow.' "

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Odell Beckham Jr. (13) Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran/NorthJersey.com via USA TODAY NETWORK (Danielle Parhizkaran)
Odell Beckham Jr. (13) Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran/NorthJersey.com via USA TODAY NETWORK (Danielle Parhizkaran)

A day after taking a swipe at WR Odell Beckham Jr., Giants co-owner John Mara said that despite all the drama, he still has trust in his $95 million man.

"Listen, I think he wants to win," Mara told Newsday after Wednesday's NFL owners meetings in Manhattan. "He wants the same things that we want. He's a work in progress, but I still believe in him."

Mara on Tuesday was blunt when speaking about Beckham and the wide out's recent controversial ESPN interview, saying "I think he needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking." 

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Evan Engram (88) carries the ball during training camp at Quest Diagnostics Training Center. Mandatory Credit: Vincent Carchietta-USA TODAY Sports (Vincent Carchietta)
Evan Engram (88) carries the ball during training camp at Quest Diagnostics Training Center. Mandatory Credit: Vincent Carchietta-USA TODAY Sports (Vincent Carchietta)

The Giants could be getting some help for their offense this week in the form of tight end Evan Engram. 

The second-year tight end sounded optimistic on Tuesday about returning to the field for Monday's game against the Falcons after missing the last three games with a knee injury he sustained Sept. 23 at Houston. 

"I feel really good," he said. "Today was a really good day. Went out there and made sure I got warm and stuff and was running around and going as fast as I can go and making all the cuts and doing everything I can do to block, so it felt good. Still got a lot of time, good amount of days until game time, so very probable and I feel really good about going into and the rest of this week."

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Sterling Shepard (87) Eli Manning (10) Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Sterling Shepard (87) Eli Manning (10) Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

Giants fans have certainly voiced their frustrations with Eli Manning's play so far this season, but are the players also ticked off by what they have seen through the first six games?

Some reports have surfaced claiming certain players have been disgruntled by Manning, but WR Sterling Shepard said he hasn't heard a peep on the matter. 

In fact, the entire locker room is still on Manning's side.

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Oct 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning (10) reacts after not converting on third down against the Philadelphia Eagles during the second quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Oct 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning (10) reacts after not converting on third down against the Philadelphia Eagles during the second quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - The critics of Eli Manning have been relentless over the last month, convinced that he's primarily - if not solely -- to blame for the Giants' mess.

It's understandable too, since the Giants pinned their entire offseason plan on their belief that Manning was still an elite quarterback. Instead, he's looked old. The offense he runs has been terrible. He looks skittish in the pocket and checks down too much. His lack of mobility is more of an issue than it's ever been, and he hasn't been successful even when he's had time to throw down the field.

But if you think the Giants' latest disastrous season is all about Eli Manning, then think again.

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New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning warms up before a game against the Houston Texans at NRG Stadium. (Troy Taormina/USA TODAY Sports)
New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning warms up before a game against the Houston Texans at NRG Stadium. (Troy Taormina/USA TODAY Sports)

After taking a shot at Odell Beckham Jr. on Tuesday, Giants co-owner John Mara was asked if the Giants were "all-in" on sticking with the struggling Eli Manning

"I don't know what you mean by going 'all in' with [Eli Manning]," Mara told reporters at the NFL Meetings in Manhattan. "He's been our quarterback. He was still under contract. I know he's the punching bag right now, but a lot of guys need to play better right now. It's not just him."

The 1-5 Giants are a mess, but Mara went out of his way to reiterate that it's not just Manning who's to blame. 

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Oct 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (13) dances during warmups before a game against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Oct 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (13) dances during warmups before a game against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

Giants co-owner John Mara took a swipe at WR Odell Beckham Jr. while speaking at the owner's meetings on Tuesday in New York City.

"I think he needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking," Mara said, according to Judy Battista of NFL.com.

Beckham has been taking heat for a candid interview he gave to ESPN before Week 5 when he said "I don't know" when asked if Eli Manning was a problem for the team at quarterback. During that same interview, Beckham was also hesitant to say he was happy in New York.

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Donte' Deayon (38) Sean Chandler (36) Mandatory Credit: Vincent Carchietta-USA TODAY Sports (Vincent Carchietta)
Donte' Deayon (38) Sean Chandler (36) Mandatory Credit: Vincent Carchietta-USA TODAY Sports (Vincent Carchietta)

The Giants are waiving CB Donte Deayon, the team announced Tuesday, with his spot on the roster being taken by Grant Haley.

The 24-year-old Deayon played in four games for the Giants this season (he didn't play in Week 1 or Week 6), and had six tackles and two passes defensed. 

 

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Oct 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning (10) reacts after not converting on third down against the Philadelphia Eagles during the second quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Oct 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning (10) reacts after not converting on third down against the Philadelphia Eagles during the second quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

Former Giants QB Phil Simms said the 2018 team was built for Eli Manning "to have success" and that it isn't "working out" for the 37-year-old.

When asked by Christopher Russo on Mad Dog Radio if Manning was done as a "big-time starting quarterback," Simms said yes. 

"As a big-time starting quarterback? Yes.," he said. "Okay, when you phrase it that way, as a big-time starter he is. ... The Giants built this team for this year for Eli Manning to have success. That's what they did. They re-did basically the whole offensive line. They've signed Odell Beckham Jr.  They bring in an offensive coach, the defensive coach. Everything was there. They draft Saquon Barkley, which is a great deal. We saw the kid can be great, we know that. So it's all set up. Sterling Shephard, a good second receiver.  Evan Engram, we know he's hurt, but it's all there because we want the quarterback to do well, and it's not working out."

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Jan 3, 2016; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants head coach Tom Coughlin (L) talks to quarterback Eli Manning (10) prior to their game against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports  (Brad Penner)
Jan 3, 2016; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants head coach Tom Coughlin (L) talks to quarterback Eli Manning (10) prior to their game against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

There's no indication that the Giants are open to trading Eli Manning (and let's not forget Manning's no-trade clause). But if they did want to toy with the idea of trading him, are the Jacksonville Jaguars a fit?

ESPN's Matt Hasselbeck thinks so, and believes the Giants would be doing Manning a "solid" by trading him to Jacksonville.

"Tom Coughlin loves Eli Manning. Eli Manning is Tom Coughlin's quarterback," Hasselbeck said Sunday morning on ESPN. "If you said to Tom Coughlin, 'what are you looking for in a quarterback,' he's thinking about what Eli Manning was for him. Having him in that organization would be of value to the Jacksonville Jaguars. And it lets the Giants and Giants fans turn the page."

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Odell Beckham Jr. (13) Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran/NorthJersey.com via USA TODAY NETWORK (Danielle Parhizkaran)
Odell Beckham Jr. (13) Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran/NorthJersey.com via USA TODAY NETWORK (Danielle Parhizkaran)

It has been an interesting past few days for Giants star WR Odell Beckham Jr. 

First, his controversial ESPN interview comments ended up with Beckham having to apologize to his teammates while also getting fined. Then, during a bad home loss to the Eagles, Beckham's frustrations were showcased on the sideline yet again as he banged his head into a cooling fan. 

So, in the latest edition of his UNINTERRUPTED Facebook series "I AM MORE: OBJ," Beckham sat down for an interview to address all that has happened in the past week. And this is how the video started...

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Eli Manning (10) Mandatory Credit: Robert Deutsch-USA TODAY Sports (Robert Deutsch)
Eli Manning (10) Mandatory Credit: Robert Deutsch-USA TODAY Sports (Robert Deutsch)

Eli Manning had another subpar performance in Thursday' 34-13 loss to the Eagles and it may be time for the Giants to face the cruel reality: Manning's days are numbered. 

The 37-year-old quarterback is 1-5 this season despite possessing offensive weapons such as Odell Beckham Jr. and Saquon Barkley. Yes, he has a shoddy offensive line, but he is 4-17 in his last 21 games and is only showing signs of regression. 

With the way things are going, the Giants will be in the market -- whether it be free agency or in the draft -- for a quarterback this offseason. 

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Aug 24, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning (10) during pre game warm up at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Noah K. Murray-USA TODAY Sports (Noah K. Murray)
Aug 24, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning (10) during pre game warm up at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Noah K. Murray-USA TODAY Sports (Noah K. Murray)

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- When the Giants took Saquon Barkley with the second pick in the NFL draft, it wasn't just a declaration that they were all-in on Eli Manning, it was their way of punting their search for Manning's successor into the future. They believed that somehow, some way, they'd find their heir apparent somewhere down the line.

It sounded so easy. Of course, don't try telling that to teams like the Jets.

Now maybe the Giants won't need 50 years to find their next franchise quarterback, but now that they have no choice but to begin the search, the truth is it likely won't be easy at all. They learned that the hard way back when they cut Phil Simms after the 1993 season and suffered through Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Danny Kanell and even Tommy Maddox before they lucked into Kerry Collins in 1999.

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New York Giants offensive tackle Ereck Flowers (74) blocks during an NFL preseason football game against the Cleveland Browns. (AP)
New York Giants offensive tackle Ereck Flowers (74) blocks during an NFL preseason football game against the Cleveland Browns. (AP)

Either Tom Coughlin sees something in Ereck Flowers or he has become exceptional in trolling the Giants.  

The Jacksonville Jaguars signed the former Giants left tackle to a one-year deal on Friday, per ESPN's Adam Schefter, just three days after he was released by Big Blue. 

Coughlin, executive vice president of football operations for the Jaguars, was the Giants head coach when the team drafted Flowers with the ninth overall pick of the 2015 NFL Draft. 

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Shurmur sticks by Manning 00:01:04
Giants head coach Pat Shurmur says he's sticking with Eli Manning as his QB, as the Giants try to move forward after falling to 1-5.

The Giants won't be benching Eli Manning again... at least not yet.

When Pat Shurmur was asked Friday -- a day after the Giants' crushing 34-13 loss to the Eagles -- if they were considering a change a quarterback, the head coach stated "no."

"We believe in Eli," Shurmur told reporters. 

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New York Giants quarterback Geno Smith looks to throw a pass against the Oakland Raiders in the first quarter at Oakland Coliseum. (Cary Edmondson/USA TODAY Sports)
New York Giants quarterback Geno Smith looks to throw a pass against the Oakland Raiders in the first quarter at Oakland Coliseum. (Cary Edmondson/USA TODAY Sports)

With the Giants 1-5 and Eli Manning continue to struggle, suddenly Ben McAdoo looks like he was onto something. 

Just ask Geno Smith. 

The former Giants backup quarterback had some thoughts following Big Blue's 34-13 loss to the Eagles on Thursday night -- a game in which Manning threw no touchdowns and an interception with 281 passing yards. 

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New York Giants quarterbacks Alex Tanney and quarterback Eli Manning look on from the sidelines late during the fourth quarter against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. (Brad Penner/USA TODAY Sports)
New York Giants quarterbacks Alex Tanney and quarterback Eli Manning look on from the sidelines late during the fourth quarter against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. (Brad Penner/USA TODAY Sports)

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Eli Manning isn't ready to give in to the angry mob that has declared his career over. He took a beating on Thursday night, played a terrible game and watched another season slip away before Halloween, but he still knows what he's capable of doing. He's not budging on that at all.

"My confidence in myself is good," Manning said after the Giants' 34-13 loss to the Eagles. "I know I can play."

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Giants fall to Eagles 00:01:14
Pat Shurmur, Eli Manning and Odell Beckham Jr. comment on the Giants' 34-13 loss to the Eagles, dropping their record to 1-5 on the season.

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - On the Giants' first drive of the second quarter, on a 2nd-and-19 from their own 28, Eli Manning checked down - again - to a short pass to Cody Latimer. It was a terrible decision, a useless play, and it gained only five meaningless yards.

And that's when FOX's cameras caught an exasperated Pat Shurmur mouthing the words, "Throw the ball!"

If it wasn't clear before, it was clear then that Shurmur is growing a little frustrated with his embattled quarterback - and he certainly had reason in this game. Manning was atrocious, giving nothing but fuel to his critics, completing 24 of 43 passes for a very deceptive 281 yards with no touchdowns and an interception.

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 (Brad Penner)
(Brad Penner)

Not only was this a divisional game with a heated rival, but this Giants-Eagles matchup at MetLife Stadium on Thursday night was viewed as the game to save the Giants season. Sense of urgency was the word thrown around by the team leading up to tonight, but unfortunately that isn't what was seen on the field. 

The Giants lost badly in a 34-13 wallop that left fans speechless and sullen in their seats. With the exception of one dynamic rookie, the performance by the home team wasn't anything to be proud of. And to put it bluntly: What played out tonight was certainly comparable to the miserable group of last season. 

So, let's take a deeper look at what happened at each position in the Giants' fifth loss of the season...

Tags: Alec Ogletree, Dalvin Tomlinson, Damon Harrison, Eli Apple, Eli Manning, Janoris Jenkins, Odell Beckham Jr., Olivier Vernon, Saquon Barkley, Sterling Shepard, Scott Thompson
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Oct 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (13) leaves the field after a game against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Oct 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (13) leaves the field after a game against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

Odell Beckham Jr. appeared to blow off the Giants seconds before their nightmarish first half ended Thursday night against the Eagles.

But head coach Pat Shurmur said after his team's 34-13 loss that the star receiver headed for the locker room early to get an IV, with no drama intended.

"Just dehydrated again," Shurmur said of Beckham, who similarly left early against the Saints two weeks ago. "He went back into the locker room. Some guys dehydrate quicker than others, so we just have to make sure he stays dehydrated."

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Saquon Barkley (26) Mandatory Credit: Robert Deutsch-USA TODAY Sports (Robert Deutsch)
Saquon Barkley (26) Mandatory Credit: Robert Deutsch-USA TODAY Sports (Robert Deutsch)

Giants rookie RB Saquon Barkley was one receiving yard away from making franchise history. 

Barkley was the only light to come out of an ugly loss to the Eagles on Thursday Night Football, as he lit up MetLife Stadium both on the ground and through the air. He rushed for 130 yards on 13 carries that included this 50-yard touchdown run...

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Oct 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (13) dances during warmups before a game against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Oct 11, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. (13) dances during warmups before a game against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

Giants WR Odell Beckham Jr. was fined by the team for his controversial comments he made this week, SNY's Ralph Vacchiano confirmed. It is unclear how much Beckham was docked for the incident. 

In an ESPN interview with Josina Anderson and Lil' Wayne, Beckham answered "I don't know" when asked if the Giants have a quarterback problem. He also made a mention that he felt the Giants have been "outschemed" on offense. 

Giants head coach Pat Shurmur said he addressed the situation with Beckham in house, and that Beckham apologized to his teammates during a team meeting.

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WR Cody Latimer left the game for the Giants during the second half of their 34-13 loss to the Eagles with a hamstring injury.

Latimer led all Giants wide receivers with 52 yards on three catches for the night.

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Big Blue's former backs are feeling the love for Saquon Barkley.

Brandon Jacobs, Tiki Barber and Ahmad Bradshaw all sang the praises of the Giants' rookie running back ahead of his Thursday Night Football debut against the Philadelphia Eagles.

"Saquon could break every record that's held by any Giant running back that there is now," Jacobs told The Post's Steve Serby. "But the five [offensive linemen] in front of him gotta give him opportunity to be great."

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Dallas Cowboys linebacker Damien Wilson causes a fumble on a sack of New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning in the third quarter at AT&T Stadium. (Tim Heitman/USA TODAY Sports)
Dallas Cowboys linebacker Damien Wilson causes a fumble on a sack of New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning in the third quarter at AT&T Stadium. (Tim Heitman/USA TODAY Sports)

Giants quarterback Eli Manning has thrown just six touchdown passes this season, which ranks 23rd in the league and is the third-fewest among all quarterbacks who have played five games. His 7.39 yards per attempt ranks 19th. And he has been sacked 16 times, tied for fourth-most in the NFL.

And even though the Giants are 1-4 this season and are 4-16 in Manning's last 20 starts dating back to 2017, the long-time franchise quarterback has been on the decline over the past several years, and the numbers prove it, according to ESPN's Jordan Raanan.

Since 2014, Manning's air yards per attempt has gone down from 8.16 to 7.02; his touchdown passes per attempt has gone down from 5.7 in 2015 to 3.2; and his quarterback rating has fallen from 61.0 to 52.5, and reached a low point of 45.7 in 2016.

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Olivier Vernon (54) Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran/NorthJersey.com via USA TODAY NETWORK (Danielle Parhizkaran)

LB Olivier Vernon was not listed on Wednesday's Giants injury report and is expected to make his season debut Thursday night against the Eagles.

Vernon, a key piece in the Big Blue defense, has been recovering from an ankle injury since the preseason. He was limited at practice on Wednesday along with K Aldrick Rosas

TE Evan Engram (knee) and WR Russell Shepard (neck) won't play for the Giants against the reigning Super Bowl champs.

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Michael Strahan Mandatory Credit: Brett Davis-USA TODAY Sports (Brett Davis)

Michael Strahan says he empathizes with Odell Beckham Jr., even if the Hall of Famer is, by his own admission, not "cool enough to hang with Lil Wayne." (NY Daily News)

The Giants legend shared his thoughts on the latest controversy surrounding Big Blue's star receiver during a conference call ahead of the team's game against the Eagles at MetLife Stadium on Thursday.

Strahan, FOX's Thursday Night Football host, said he can identify with Beckham after the wide out needed to apologize to his teammates on Sunday following comments he made alongside rapper Lil Wayne in an ESPN interview.

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Oct 7, 2018; Charlotte, NC, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham (13) assists running back Saquon Barkley (26) against the Carolina Panthers during the second half at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jim Dedmon-USA TODAY Sports  (Jim Dedmon)
Oct 7, 2018; Charlotte, NC, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham (13) assists running back Saquon Barkley (26) against the Carolina Panthers during the second half at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jim Dedmon-USA TODAY Sports (Jim Dedmon)

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - If the Giants played in any other division, their 1-4 record would've been enough to kill their season. But the NFC East is somehow keeping the Giants alive.

That's enough to give them some hope to cling to this week, as they prepare to face the defending Super Bowl-champion Philadelphia Eagles on Thursday night. Those Eagles are experiencing a Super Bowl hangover at 2-3. They're tied for second with the offensively-challenged Dallas Cowboys, right behind the Washington Redskins, who came off their bye on Monday night to lose in New Orleans, 43-19.

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Oct 7, 2018; Charlotte, NC, USA; New York Giants strong safety Landon Collins (21) reacts to a penalty in the third quarter against the Carolina Panthers at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jeremy Brevard-USA TODAY Sports (Jeremy Brevard)
Oct 7, 2018; Charlotte, NC, USA; New York Giants strong safety Landon Collins (21) reacts to a penalty in the third quarter against the Carolina Panthers at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jeremy Brevard-USA TODAY Sports (Jeremy Brevard)

The referees in Carolina may not have listened to Giants players' grievances after Sunday's heartbreaking loss to the Panthers, but Pat Shurmur sure did.

And no matter how bad the calls on the field get, the head coach made it clear he doesn't want to hear any more complaining.

In his weekly interview published on the Giants' website, Shurmur offered his thoughts on gripes from players like S Landon Collins, who said postgame "we need better refs" after officials called him for a controversial unnecessary roughness penalty that eventually led to a touchdown.

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Sep 30, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants tight end Evan Engram walks with a brace on his right knee after spraining his MCL in Houston. Engram will not play against the New Orleans Saints in Week 4. Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran/NorthJersey.com via USA TODAY NETWORK (Danielle Parhizkaran)
Sep 30, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants tight end Evan Engram walks with a brace on his right knee after spraining his MCL in Houston. Engram will not play against the New Orleans Saints in Week 4. Mandatory Credit: Danielle Parhizkaran/NorthJersey.com via USA TODAY NETWORK (Danielle Parhizkaran)

With another Giants injury report coming out Tuesday following practice, TE Evan Engram remained under the limited participant section. But he was set to go full speed for the first time to see if he could be available Thursday night against the Eagles. 

Engram, who has been out for two games with a right MCL sprain, was looking forward to taking the field as he knew it could determine whether or not he can help his team win -- something they desperately need to stay in the NFC East hunt. 

"Today's just a big day for me practice wise," Engram said before practice. "Just going to go out there and see how I feel going full speed and getting full speed reps. Been taking it day-by-day and it's a possibility, but we'll see going forward."

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The Giants' Ereck Flowers appeared at the 2015 NFL combine. (Trevor Ruszkowski-USA TODAY Sports)
The Giants' Ereck Flowers appeared at the 2015 NFL combine. (Trevor Ruszkowski-USA TODAY Sports)

Ereck Flowers became a member of a certain club as soon as the Giants made his release official on Tuesday.

Unfortunately for the 2015 first-round draft pick, there's nothing elite about this group of sorry former Giants. After Big Blue finally met its breaking point with the offensive lineman early in his fourth-straight struggling season, Flowers has undoubtedly become one of the biggest first-round draft busts in franchise history.

But where does he rank among other top Giants picks of the last 30 years who failed to live up to the hype?

 

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May 25, 2018; Miami, FL, USA; Recording artist Lil Wayne is watching a game between the Washington Nationals and the Miami Marlins at Marlins Park. Mandatory Credit: Steve Mitchell-USA TODAY Sports (Steve Mitchell)
May 25, 2018; Miami, FL, USA; Recording artist Lil Wayne is watching a game between the Washington Nationals and the Miami Marlins at Marlins Park. Mandatory Credit: Steve Mitchell-USA TODAY Sports (Steve Mitchell)

A day after Eli Manning hinted that he wasn't much of a Lil Wayne fan, the rapper -- who sat alongside Odell Beckham Jr. as the wide receiver gave his controversial interview to ESPN -- fired back at the Giants QB.

"I don't care what you watch. You don't got to do me like that," Lil Wayne said on his Instragram story on Tuesday. "I f*cks with you Eli. It's all good. You ain't got to watch much of me, but you can listen if you could. You probably need to the way you've been playing." 

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Odell Beckham Jr, Saquon Barkley, and Pat Shurmur believe they can turn their season around, and take advantage of a wide open NFC East

After clearing up his controversial comments with the rest of the Giants on Sunday, WR Odell Beckham Jr. took the opportunity at Tuesday's practice to praise his teammates for getting Big Blue closer to where it wants to be.

"I think we all understand each other," Beckham told reporters. "Like I said, there's nothing that is going to come in between my brothers, my teammates, this is something that is going to pull us closer. I felt very close as a team this Sunday, and that's the way that we have to play. That's the way we're going to fight. Nobody in here likes to lose, we're all tired of losing, we want to change that culture, atmosphere, whatever it is, because this is a place that has a lot of pride and we want to be able to be proud of what we display and do all those things."

Beckham made headlines on Sunday when, in an interview that aired on ESPN, he answered "I don't know" when asked if the Giants have a quarterback problem. Sitting alongside rapper Lil Wayne, Beckham also said he felt he's been "outschemed" on offense, adding he didn't feel he's been in a place where he can play to his full potential. That prompted a summoning to head coach Pat Shurmur's office and a subsequent apology to the team for what he said was a "wrong message."

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New York Giants offensive tackle Ereck Flowers (74) blocks during an NFL preseason football game against the Cleveland Browns. (AP)
New York Giants offensive tackle Ereck Flowers (74) blocks during an NFL preseason football game against the Cleveland Browns. (AP)

The Giants have officially released tackle Ereck Flowers after failing to trade him, and have signed tackle Brian Mihalik to replace him on the roster. 

SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reported Monday that things between the Giants and Flowers had been building for a while, and that Flowers had already been told to leave the Giants facility.

Flowers, who the Giants selected with the ninth overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, struggled badly earlier this season after having poor seasons in 2017 and 2016. 

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Eli Manning talks about the team's crushing loss to Carolina, and how they are moving on from the latest drama created by Odell Beckham Jr.

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Eli Manning insisted he hasn't watched Odell Beckham Jr.'s now infamous interview on ESPN, the one with rapper Lil' Wayne sitting by the receiver's side as he offered his quarterback a startling lack of support. And Manning insisted there's a good reason why he hasn't.

"I don't watch Lil' Wayne much," he said.

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New York Giants tight end Evan Engram warms up before an NFL football game Sunday, Nov. 5, 2017, in East Rutherford, N.J. (AP Photo/Julio Cortez) (Julio Cortez/AP)
New York Giants tight end Evan Engram warms up before an NFL football game Sunday, Nov. 5, 2017, in East Rutherford, N.J. (AP Photo/Julio Cortez) (Julio Cortez/AP)

Giants tight end Evan Engram "has a shot" to play in Thursday night's game against the Philadelphia Eagles, head coach Pat Shurmur told reporters on Monday.

Engram, the second-year tight end, has missed back-to-back games with a sprained right MCL. He and linebacker Olivier Vernon, who has yet to play in a game this season due to an ankle injury, were both limited in Monday's practice.

"We're still hopeful about Vernon," Shurmur said.

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Pat Shurmur gets animated about the drama surrounding Odell Beckham Jr, and Odell says he doesn't regret anything he said about the team.

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Odell Beckham Jr. said he doesn't know if the Giants have a problem at quarterback, that it's "tough" to say whether he's happy in New York, that the Giants are being "out-schemed" and that his own personal greatness is being held back.

In other words, so much for the more mature Beckham the Giants were counting on when they signed him to that five-year, $95 million contract with $65 million guaranteed a mere six weeks ago.

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Oct 7, 2018; Charlotte, NC, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham (13) assists running back Saquon Barkley (26) against the Carolina Panthers during the second half at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jim Dedmon-USA TODAY Sports  (Jim Dedmon)
Oct 7, 2018; Charlotte, NC, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham (13) assists running back Saquon Barkley (26) against the Carolina Panthers during the second half at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jim Dedmon-USA TODAY Sports (Jim Dedmon)

The New York Giants, still searching for some consistency, came up short yet again after losing 33-31 to the Carolina Panthers. If the future of their season seemed bleak following last week's brutal 33-18 loss to Drew Brees and the New Orleans Saints, this week's defeat may have cemented another lost season.

To their credit, the Giants did put up a fight and had a comeback victory within grasp. But sitting at 1-4 after Graham Gano's 63-yarder at the end of regulation, you have to wonder how much fight the team has left.

Let's take a look on where it all went wrong this Sunday afternoon…

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Oct 7, 2018; Charlotte, NC, USA; New York Giants strong safety Landon Collins (21) reacts to a penalty in the third quarter against the Carolina Panthers at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jeremy Brevard-USA TODAY Sports (Jeremy Brevard)
Oct 7, 2018; Charlotte, NC, USA; New York Giants strong safety Landon Collins (21) reacts to a penalty in the third quarter against the Carolina Panthers at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jeremy Brevard-USA TODAY Sports (Jeremy Brevard)

The Giants were seemingly in position to get the ball back at a crucial point in the second half of Sunday's game against the Panthers, but a controversial unnecessary roughness penalty gave Carolina a fresh set of downs and led to a touchdown.

Landon Collins was trying to intercept a pass from Cam Newton when his helmet bumped Devin Funchess, leading to a flag for "contact on a defenseless player." 

Collins was blunt after the game...

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Oct 7, 2018; Charlotte, NC, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham (13) carries the ball past Carolina Panthers free safety Mike Adams (29) in the third quarter at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jeremy Brevard-USA TODAY Sports  (Jeremy Brevard)
Oct 7, 2018; Charlotte, NC, USA; New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham (13) carries the ball past Carolina Panthers free safety Mike Adams (29) in the third quarter at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jeremy Brevard-USA TODAY Sports (Jeremy Brevard)

The Giants came in to Carolina needing a win to prevent their season from falling into the abyss -- and to deflect attention away from Odell Beckham Jr.'s comments about Eli Manning.

Things started out well, with Beckham on fire receiving and returning punts as the Giants took a 3-0 lead. Then they got disastrous, with the defense getting gashed and Beckham botching a punt return that led to a Panthers touchdown and 14-3 lead early in the second quarter. 

Big Blue stabilized things late in the second quarter as Beckham launched a shocking 57-yard touchdown pass to Saquon Barkley, the defense firmed up, and Aldrick Rosas nailed a 53-yard field goal as they cut the deficit to 20-13 entering the half...

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 (Jim Dedmon)
(Jim Dedmon)

Giants WR Odell Beckham caught a pass from QB Eli Manning and fired it down the field to a wide open Saquon Barkley, who sprinted into the end zone for a 57-yard touchdown in the second quarter of Sunday's game against the Panthers.

See the replay below:

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Sep 9, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur coaches against the Jacksonville Jaguars during the first quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)
Sep 9, 2018; East Rutherford, NJ, USA; New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur coaches against the Jacksonville Jaguars during the first quarter at MetLife Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Penner)

Giants head coach Pat Shurmur was "absolutely livid" after WR Odell Beckham made controversial comments in an interview with ESPN's Josina Anderson, Fox Sports' Jay Glazer reported on Sunday.

Shurmur summoned Beckham to his office and told him that it is up to him to "make it right" with his teammates. The Giants' star wide receiver apologized to the team for what he said was a "wrong message" and that it "won't happen again."

During Beckham's interview with Anderson, he said he "I don't know" if the Giants have a quarterback problem and that he feels he has been "outschemed."

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