10:23PM: Nick Kypreos says that there are still stumbling blocks with the pension and some owners say that the NHLPA proposal leaves the owners with too much liability.
10:16PM: Montreal reporter L.A. says "From what I've heard this evening, there's more hype than true reason for optimism in NHLvsNHLPA discussions. Decertification still possible"
10:13PM: Nick Cotsonika tweets ""I always feel it's about deadlines, so we'll see what happens." -- Martin St. Louis, in September -- of 2011. Big one is still Jan. 11."
10:09PM: Pierre LeBrun tweets "Hearing both sides disappointed with lack of true movement in each other's new positions today... Key is to keep talking though.."
Andy Strickland tweets that at least one players believes that they are fighting for a higher cap not only for themselves, but for many NHL teams as well.